that is frankly what they did when they elected ronald reagan in 1984, and with obama in 2012. they knew what they were doing. >> your interpretation gives one great hope for the future of democracy. >> when you look at what the republican party analysis of itself was, the fear was that the electorate is a different electorate, and it is not just much more of a minority electorate. it wants some serious social and economic safety net that is different than what they hear from republicans. >> the face of conservatism is rush limbaugh. we all agree with that. there is another face on this table, but let's stay with that. he puts down the results by saying obama won with low information voters, that they were sort of stupid, they do not understand the issues and they fall for this stuff. that is the same argument we heard in a much more sophisticated way from somebody else. >> rush limbaugh, the face of the republican party -- that is a little -- >> that is a little harsh. if we are going to choose someone in the media as the face of the republican paty, i would nominate charles.